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02 June 2006

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Hermes

Stavros, excellent piece. Some Greek Australians who fought in Korea march in the Australian ANZAC military parade over here.

However, I believe you are a little unfair to draw comparisons between the Greeks and Turks in honouring their war heroes and dead. I believe Greece should generally be more appreciative of all its soldiers regardless of the whether the war was right or wrong in hindsight. But in Turkey the respect given to their soldier's efforts is part of the Kemalist militarist edifice. If that ever came crashing down, and a real Left was allowed to develop, then I do not believe there would be much difference between the two nations.

Actually, the Turks may eventually be more ambivalent.

Stavros

Hermes, I think your wrong about the Turks. Their respect for their soldiers is ingrained and will continue even if if they are rabidly anti-American. An increasing portion of the Turkish public is very anti-US. They may give Greeks some competition in that respect. BTW, Greece has also relegated the memory of those Greek soldiers who defeated the Communist guerrillas in the Civil War to the dustbin of history. Too bad.

Hermes

My argument is that a lot of respect for the Turkish military, by ordinary Turks, is due to the strict application of the Kemalist doctrine. No real questioning of this doctrine is allowed i.e. the Orhan Pamuk trial. Would you like Greece to end up like that?

And implying that a Turk (adjusting for Kemalism)is inherently more respectful than a Greek to their war heroes is grossly unfair and inaccurate. For example, the Australian government was instrumental in making Gallipoli an important war memorial. The Turkish government did nothing until recently.

And they have not relegated the Greek anti-Communist soldiers to the dustbin of history. On the contrary, they are honoured very highly.

Stavros

No one is suggesting that Greeks adopt a Turkish approach to democracy. The military
should stay out of politics. Greece learned that lesson some time ago. Nor am arguing that Turks are "more" respectful to their war dead. Only that the Greek government and media have largely ignored and do not publicize the contributions of those that fought wars against Communism. Perhaps they don't want to offend the Left. Perhaps it is because of a lingering Anti-Americanism. Maybe they are being politically correct. I agree that all of us should respect and remember those that have fought and died in our country's wars regardless of our feelings about the war itself. That applies especially to Americans.

clifford boxley

would like to make contact with the members of this force that are still with us today. they belong as members of the 1st cavalry division association.

Dino

My dad fought in Korea as part of the Greek Expeditionary Forces-was wounded twice and never really spoke of his experiences there other than the wave attacks of the Chinese and and that he saw a lot of death over there. That's about as specific as he got. He emigrated to the U.S. in '56. He was a proud Greek and a proud American. I would love to be able to find some sort of record or reference for researching his military service.

I served in the U.S. Army and was stationed in Frankfurt and had on occasion run into Greeks living in Germany. To say that they were anti-American is an understatement. As a Greek-American I was regarded as a Xenos, and with suspicion, instead of being welcomed with open arms or as a brother. One of these occasions was at the Greek Orthodox Church in Gruneberg Weg Park in Frankfurt. I was even asked what I was doing there and what did I want. The remark that contemporary Greeks are relegating their Korea-era service members to history's dustbin does not surprise me. The preference seems to be to distance them selves from all things American. By all accounts my dad was proud of his service, proud that he fought along side US forces which largely trained and supplied the Greek forces after WWII and proud of my service as well. I only wish he lived long enough to see me get my sergeant stripes.

I'm proud that he's considered an extended member of the U.S. 1st Cav for his service in Korea.

Stavros

Dino,

You should be rightly proud of your father's service. The Greeks in Korea gave a good account of themselves. Unfortunately their service has largely been forgotten.

I am surprised however by the welcome your received from the Greeks in Germany since it does not match my experience in Greece where I was stationed. I was embraced by most Greeks except for a few exceptions and treated accordingly. Greeks in Germany are not considered Germans and never will be. You can see what Germans think of Greeks nowadays as lazy and shiftless despite the fact that thousand of them worked to build the "new" Germany often at low wages. Anti-American feelings used to be very common in Greece, I suspect now with a bellicose unrestrained Turkey next door they might wish we hadn't left.

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